Chapman ReportPublished by the Golden Gate Lotus Club www.gglotus.org
PO Box 117303 Burlingame, CA 94011
6-7 Lotus 50th anniversary race meet at Brands Hatch, England
14 Hayward Field Meet British car show, and swap meet, and GGLC meeting.
20 GGLC dinner at Yet Wah, Pier 39 S.F. and late night terror drive sponsored by John Ridley.
28 Gimmick Rallye in the Woodside hills sponsored by John Zender
4 All-Esprit 4th of July parade in Larkspur hosted by John Ridley.
11 The GGLC at the Drive-in movies, Newark
18 Meeting and club drive in Occidental sponsored by the Camachos
14-16 Monterey Historic races and Lotus paddock at Laguna Seca
22 Club drive through Santa Cruz mountains and meeting sponsored by Alan and Trish Duberley
7 Portland All British Field meet
12 Scott Fisherís annual DBTBM (Day Before The British Meet) tour
13 Palo Alto All British Car Meet and GGLC meeting
25-28 LOG (Lotus Owners Gathering) Atlanta
2-4 Club Drive to Reno sponsored by John Ridley
25 FIA Sports Car Championships at Laguna Seca
Sunday, June 14, 1998, 3:00 pm
Buffalo Billís Brew Pub
1082 B Street, Hayward
The monthly meeting will be held directly after the Hayward Field meet at Cal State Hayward
Directions to Cal State Hayward:
1. Take 880 to Jackson Street (Highway 92) and go East 1/2 mile
2. Turn right on Santa Clara, go 1/4 mile
3. Fork Left onto Harder Road
4. Cross Mission Blvd and go up the hill to the campus.
Dinner at Pier 39
For those of you who have been around the club for a while, youíll remember what great times weíve had at past Yet Wah dinner meetings. John Ridley has secured tables at this fine establishment for Mandarin cuisine on Pier 39 in The City.
John is also planning an after dinner drive through the city. It should be quite a site, 10 or 20 Loti terrorizing the streets of S.F. on a Saturday night. Who knows where heíll lead usÖ Twin Peaks, the Embarcadero, Chinatown, out to the ocean?
Excellent parking is available across the street in the multi-level garage. Dinner is set for 6pm, so weíll have plenty of time to check out the pier. RSVP with John Ridley by June 16. (415) 456-5242
Directions from anywhere:
1. Go to San Francisco
2. Find Pier 39
3. Park in the large lot across the
4. Yet Wah is located on the top
floor at the far end of the pier.
5. Bring your parking stub Ďcuz,
maybe they validate?
On Sunday, June 28 John Zender will host a ralleye in the coastal hills of the Peninsula. The format has not been formalized, but it will be some sort of points system that allows all participants to go at their own pace. I like (very) windy roads, so youíll be sure to see lots of curves marked 10 mph (read 30 for Lotus) , a few bumps, and not many Winnebegos.
The course will be 2-3 hours long (maybe 5 for some) and will terminate at a top secret restaurant for lunch. Prizes will be awarded for various classes including high point, low point, best story, and highest tyre temp at the finish. Navigators are not required, but highly recommended if you donít want to miss lunch.
Drivers will leave on their minute from my place in Menlo Park starting at 10 am. Be there by 9 if you want to participate.
We donít need no stinking RSVPís, - just show up.
Directions from 101:
1. Exit Marsh road in Menlo Park and
2. Turn right on Fair Oaks
3. Turn Right on Edison Way
4. Look for group of confused people
on your left.
All-Esprit 4th of July Parade
The All-Esprit 4th of July parade in Larkspur is shaping up to be a very cool event for the wedge owners. Ridley already has over 10 cars lined up for the annual march down main street. If you own an Esprit and believe in America, you must be at this event.
John will also be planning some social activities including a possible BBQ or other feeding event. Participants will meet at the Corte Madera shopping center about 9am. RSVP with John Ridley (415) 456-5242
Well its almost here Ė the premier vintage event of the year. Once again the GGLC will sponsor the Lotus corral down near turn 2. We need to confirm a minimum of 35 tickets for each day, so get those orders in by July 8. Prices are as follows: Friday $25, Saturday $40, Sunday $35, Saturday/Sunday combo $60, Friday/Saturday/Sunday combo $75 . This is a substantial discount compared to the gate price and should make up for the fact that VW, uh, I mean Porsche is the honored marque.
So letís all show up and see the tiny green and yellow machines blow by them old sauerkrauts.
Please contact Daren Stone for your ticket requests by July 8. (408) 527-5044 or email@example.com
The Roberta Bean Tour
By Jon Rosner
Were you wondering why this was renamed the Roberta Bean Tour. Why ? Why not ? Guess who did all the work that made this such a fun event ? Guess who fed us ? Guess who made us pay for all that great stuff we bought? Like I said, The Roberta Bean tour, and it was a blast. Soon to appear in the Guiness Book of World Records, this was the first Lotus tour I can recall that actually started on time ! There were two main launch sites, Livermore for the South Bay, and Mike Ostrov's shop for the balance. Mike's group was populated by one BRIGHT red Esprit turbo, one Commemorative
Edition Esprit, a brace of Elans and Europas, one MR-2Turbo and Team Econobox in the Saturn Station Wagon.
From 80 to 12 to 84 to 160 to 12, argggh, roads made for minivans and RVs to waddle down. Once past Stockton we began to hit The Rural Zone, sort of like the Twilight Zone, but in color. Faded and dusty brick factories surrounded by oceans of grapes, peaches, cherries and apricots. Kids on ten speed bikes waving placards under a 1950's oversize purple neon coffee cup and saucer, car wash right here !
When we arrived, Mike, Tom, and Ken were sent scurrying around looking for specific items, as chock -full bins in open isles received a scouring reminicient of a group of 6 year olds on a competitive easter egg hunt . Mike Ostrov had his list of six bits, Steve Frey got caught buying a timing belt, Trish and Allen Dubberley brought bank references, and Mike Simon showed us his M series TVR for sale now that he's done a complete mechanical restoration and has no time to do body work. Dian shouted, "no TVR'S here !" And she took our cash, credit cards, and checks while an animated Dave Bean regaled us with tales of two Californians who got swamped by customers interested in the parts they brought to England. Selling California reproductions of English cars parts to the English, at Donnington, and doing a bang up business. Only Dave Bean could have pulled this one off........
And for those of us who knew that in the middle of last week Our Fearless Editor had pretty much NOTHING
installed from the firewall back, seriously empty space here, no suspension, motor et al installed in the "Flamer
Europa," and he announced he would be driving to Bean's !! All bets are off !!. He DROVE the car to Beans ! "I'm
really surprised that I made it here, I
was finishing assembly on my way up here, installing window switches while driving up 580." It was rough, it was unsorted, the engine had an uneven idle tickover but the exhaust bellowed a lovely note, AND it was there, he had done it !
Roberta Bean met us at the house, the whole place looked like the set for the Sound of Music, beautiful blue-gree nrolling mountains, huge open spaces. But it wasn't Julie Andrews we were looking for, but Sam sporting this yearís Road Kill Cafe apron and guarding the wood fired BBQ. We were looking to scarf down BBQ with cowboy beans,
serious garlic bread and Melissa's tasty and colorful edible flowers and baby greens salad. The green and yellow theme of tablecloth, utensils, and plastic cups even extended to a homemade Lotus emblemed cake that Martha Stewart would have been proud of !
All told, forty hungry people in about two dozen Loti made it up the hill, and were quite happily satiated.
Intermittent sun and cold mountain breeze not withstanding, it was a gorgeous day, a fun event, everyone had a great time. We owe a good bit of thanks once again to the great folks at Dave Bean Engineering for putting up with this motley crew once again, and hopefully their memories will get all fuzzy over the next ten or so months and we will get invited back!
Mike and the Mail-Order Tall Block
By Rich Kampena
This is the first article in a series that will describe some of the more colorful goings on at my shop over the years. The names have been changed to protect the innocent and hide the guilty.
A client with an Elan, let's call him Mike, wanted more power. He had a Stromberg motor and he had lusted after a Weber head for some time. He located a complete 1700cc "tall" block motor on the East coast. This from a
reputable firm. I agreed to do the necessary installation work.
The motor was shipped and arrived at the shop. It was said to have been completely rebuilt. Now over the years I have seen some dubious "complete" rebuilds, as this seems to mean different things to different people, but
this looked good from the outside. It was clean and painted nicely. In fact it looked fine on the inside too, as I pulled the cam cover to check the valve clearances. It was again clean and I saw new tappets under the reground cams.
So I refit the cam cover, put on new weber carbs, distributor and fit the clutch and flywheel. I installed the motor and prepared it for initial start up. I started the motor and it held constant water temperature and oil pressure. I set the timing and synchronized the carbs. It was late in the day, but I prepared the car for a road test.
I rolled out of the shop and everything seemed fine. The Elan pulled nice up to 3500 rpm, which is my limit for fresh motors. Three blocks later as I was turning a corner there was a small thump down by my right foot and the car died. Nothing very dramatic, just a heavy clunk. I towed it back to the shop. It was late, but I wanted to get a peek and see what was what. I jacked it up and looked at the flywheel. It was loose! I double check all my wrenching, so what is this? The flywheel was loose, but still firmly bolted to the crankshaft. The crankshaft had broken!
I informed Mike. He was not happy to say the least. He authorized me to pull the motor and strip it to get a look see. When I pulled the pan two main cap bolts lay in the sump. Not broken; they just fell out. The rest
were finger tight. The crank was broken into three pieces. The rod bolts were right up to spec. It seems that this motor was built by a well known British engine specialist. Hmmm. Had the builder walked away at tea time in the middle of torquing main caps? We won't know. But my practice is to always find a good stopping point so I can pick up right were I left off. Or make notes. The block was also trashed.
I rebuilt his original Lotus bottom end. Cleaned up the weber head and rebuilt the motor. It ended up being a very quick Elan. But not exactly by the route envisioned by Mike, me or the others involved. By the way there
was some recompense by the seller, but it didn't completely cover Mike's costs.
Copyright 1998 ^Rich Kamp^. May be redistibuted as long as this notice
is preserved on all copies.
I'll make it short this month, and just say that despite El Nino hampering my driveway work sessions (where the Europa happens to be parked), I have been diligently taking advantage of the few dry periods to R & R the cooling system so that I can attend the next event in proper form.
That said, I hope to see many of you at the 8th annual Hayward State Field
Meet (Sunday June 14th, see calendar for details). This event is a very low-key show & swap on the soccer green, and with *very* little Lotus representation in the past. Following the show we'll have our June meeting at 3pm at Buffalo Bills Brewery in Hayward, so if you cannot make the show try to stop in afterwards.
And lastly, I've included a letter on page 6 written to Mr. Alastair Florance by my good friend Scott Fisher, imploring him to bring the Elise to the US. (Mr. Florance happens to be the PR boss at Hethel). I hope you enjoy it as much as I did.
Daren Stone, 1998 GGLC President
The Vice Prez
We are now 6 months into 1998 and I just canít stand it any more, so I thought Iíd take some time out this month to do some venting and maybe stir up some enthusiasm at the same time. Last month my mother gave me a book, "Grand Prix, The Complete Guide". It has absolutely no pictures because, as it advertises, it gives full results of all world championship races from 1950-1997. When I got it, naturally I began to thumb through it because I like to see where my favorite marque has placed over the years. Every car nut has his or her favorite marque and while I do appreciate a variety of cars, Iím a full blown snob when it comes to Lotus. I put them at the top of the sportscar list because that is where they belong.
As we all know, this year marks the 50th anniversary of Lotus. I was really looking forward to picking up a number of magazines, hoping that they would have articles about Lotus which I could add to my collection. The lack of coverage in the various car magazines of this most momentous occasion has been a major disappointment to say the least. More appropriately, itís been a tragedy! You and I know very well that if it was the 50th anniversary of Ferrari or Porsche, every magazine known to man would have at least one issue solely devoted to that marque. In addition to that weíd probably see a healthy dose each month! What is it about Lotus that people deny it the popularity and recognition that it deserves?
Admittedly, Porsche and Ferrari have both made very good cars over the years. Drive each one and you will walk away with two very distinct driving experiences. The Ferrari will take the arms of a hulk to shift, it will be heavy, and it wonít provide the "cut and thrust" type of driving that a Lotus will. They are very much grand touring cars because they donít start functioning properly until you near or exceed triple digit speeds. The Porsche will do everything very well, but having that engine hanging out behind the rear axle centerline makes the handling a little tricky and leaves you lacking confidence in the car. (Porsche handling is so tricky that they come with an emergency phone number on the back of every car just in case you get into trouble, dial 9-1-1!)
Get into a Lotus and everything is light, responsive, and easy to operate. Itís a FUN car to drive because you donít have to work hard like you do in the Ferrari. And unlike the Porsche, you can be confident that it wonít do anything nasty to you when you push it hard around a corner.
You could argue with a Porsche or Ferrari owner until the cows come home as to why a Lotus is better, and I admit that some of that boils down to personal preference. Open the history and record books, however, and you can show them the indisputable facts which tell the real story. This is a marque with a history of winning races. And most of these races were won while competing against Porsches and Ferraris. But what is most important is to recognize WHY they won so many races. While Porsche and Ferrari do have impressive records, they were never what you would call leaders in technology. Porsche always did well because their cars performed very well AND they lasted to the checkered flag. Ferrari? They always had the power. But Lotus won because they were the most ingenious. They had the ideas that everyone else copied, from the monocoque chassis, to ground effects, to active suspension. Every grand prix and CART car raced today has been influenced more by Lotus than Ferrari or Porsche.
It is for this reason that I continue to wonder how a company which has done so much to influence the modern race car could go unrecognized and unappreciated? It sickens me to see Road & Track continually covering Porsche or Ferrari about every fourth issue with a major spread while the only coverage Lotus gets is a skimpy one pager about Peter Eganís Seven!
In the coming months Iíll be looking at the car magazines such as Autoweek, Road & Track, etc., to see if they give any mention of the 50th anniversary. Iíve already started to think of the letter Iíll be writing to them if they donít, and I encourage everyone in the club who feels as strongly as I do, to do the same. Of all the years, this should be the one where Lotus receives the recognition it deserves. So start gathering your thoughts and writing them down just in case the Bozos of your favorite car magazine fail to pull through for us. In the mean time, enjoy your Lotus and drive it with pride!
Well, the big news for me this month is that I finished the Europa project and drove the machine to Dave Beanís. The body went on at about 10pm Thursday, the motor was first fired at 9pm Friday, and I left for Beans at 8am Saturday. Kinda tight schedule, but I really work well to deadlines. Thatís it for this month. See ya at one of our many upcoming events. John.
Bring the Elise to the U.S.!
The following is a letter written to Mr. Alastair Florance (the PR boss at Lotus) by Scott Fisher.
The Elise is the most exciting new car to be produced in years, and I for one can't wait to drive and buy one. I understand there are two primary concerns -- the lack of bumpers and the 118-bhp engine. Because I'm not a structural engineer, I can't help with the bumpers, and I wish you the best of luck with resolving them. Hethel has always been home to brilliant engineers.
As for the engine, it had been my understanding that the 1500-lb-or-so curb weight of the Elise made the 118-bhp K-series quite adequate. What has changed to make that no longer so? I hope it's merely U.S. emissions certification and not that the weight of the Elise has reached 3000 pounds in an attempt to put into the car things that people think U.S. drivers want -- electrically-heated computer-adjustable seats
with sixteen memory settings, thermostatic cup holders, 24-disc CD changing systems with 18 speakers and Surround Sound, antilock brakes, confidence-inspiring understeer and of course, big-car highway feel. We don't want those. We want the Elise, just the way it is now.
I suggest that if your product marketing people are trying to tell you what they think the U.S. buyers want in a Lotus, you may perhaps wish to look at the U.S. sales figures for Lotus Cars, and then hire new product marketing people. They obviously have no clue about what U.S. buyers want in a Lotus.
We want a Lotus, not a Lexus. We know all four of Anthony Colin Bruce Chapman's names, we know the difference between a Lotus 26 and a Lotus 28, we know that every 5 lb of weight removed is the same as increasing BHP by 1, we have pictures of Jim Clark and John Young Stewart in the home or office, we can tell the difference between a FWA and a DFV, and we're the ones who will make your car a success if you bring it in the way it is -- and a failure if you market it to people who are moving up from a Ford Capri or a Honda Civic Del Sol.
We're the ones who want the Elise. And we're the ones who will not complain if the ride is too rough or our hair gets mussed (I for one have no interest in buying a convertible with a "wind blocker" behind the seats) or our feet get wet in the rain. We're not the kind of people who bought the cars we own today because of the J.D. Power rating, or because the dealer gave us a good trade-in on our minivan, or because the extended warranty gave us peace of mind.
We bought our cars because of Nuvolari, Fangio, Moss, Clark, Rindt, Andretti, Senna, Villeneuve. We don't buy cars because of competitive options lists or comprehensive dealer networks. We buy the cars we do because we yearn to participate in something greater than market share and product placement, and we'll pay -- and put up with -- whatever it takes to do that. Please, please stop selling us out.
Just give us the car, thank you. And don't let
them mess with it to try to "broaden appeal" or "enhance market share" or "respond to customer survey ratings." They don't know what they're talking about. We want the Elise, just the way it is today.
On the other hand, if it's a question of certifying an engine for U.S. emissions, the Ford Zetec is a very nice powerplant -- 130 bhp in U.S. smog trim, possibly capable of more with a less-restrictive exhaust aft of the catalyst, and it fits the Lotus heritage. And it may also be possible to fit the Ford V6 out of the SVT Contour, which at 195 bhp would make the Elise a four-wheel motorcycle. And I seem to recall, oh, one or two Lotus cars that did quite well with Ford on the cam covers. Just don't let them make it a cute, open tank.
Best of luck bringing the Elise to the U.S. in as close to its current form as possible. One last request: make sure the passenger's seat airbag can be easily disabled, as I have young children who will want to ride in the car with me. My son has never ridden in a convertible; it would mean something if his first open-air ride was in an Elise.
Thank you, and best of luck bringing the pure,
authentic Elise to the United States.
Some things that you really shouldnít say to the cop
I can't reach my license unless you hold my beer.
Sorry, Officer, I didn't realize my radar detector wasn't plugged in.
Aren't you the guy from the Village People?
I thought you had to be in relatively goodphysical condition to be a police officer.
I was going to be a cop, but I decided to finish high school instead.
You're not gonna check the trunk, are you?
Gee, that gut sure doesn't inspire confidence.
Didn't I see you get your butt kicked on COPS?
Is it true that people become cops because they are too dumb to work at McDonald's?
What do you mean, "Have I been drinking?" You're the trained specialist.
Hey, is that a 9 mm? That's nothing compared to this .44 magnum.
Hey, can you give me one of those full body cavity searches?
News Flash: The GGLC online!
The idea of the GGLC going online has been kicked around for a couple years. But this year Daren Stoneís vision combined with the talents of Joel Farber and Kiyoshi Hamai, produced a web page in a few short months.
If you havenít yet seen the site, then youíll be surprised when you do. Our new webmaster, Joel, did an outstanding job and put together the best Lotus club site on the web.
Check it out atwww.gglotus.org
1977 Eclat,properly maintained, excellent condition 49K miles, engine with forged internals, Delorttos, 5-speed, Doug Bank (916) 771-4717 or firstname.lastname@example.org
1970 Europa S2, #0081R, not running, but mostly original, $3,000, Call Mike (408) 725-8893
For Sale: Europa Parts full set of Spax shocks w/adjustable perches, incl. springs for Europa Ė $150; adjustable lower links, w/heim joints, excellent cond. Ė $125; 7x13 Monocoque and 8x13 Revolution wheels, Brake booster, steering rack.
John (650) 368-9105 email@example.com
For sale: Esprit S2 Parts Complete front and rear brakes, radiator fans and shroud, John (650) 368-9105 firstname.lastname@example.org
1964 lotus Elan. 24k miles since complete restoration incl. Spyder spaceframe, all new chassis hdwre., lines, harness, upholstery, rollbar, Konis, springs, H/D A/R Bar, Tall block 1700, Webers, blueprint head, hi-lift cams, steel caps, shot-peen, baffled + windage. C/R gearbox,3.55 diff, 8630 diff axles, 14" Panasport, spec-racer tires, brilliant blue urethane, many spares, all Lotus updates. Well tuned, runs hard, always turns heads. Offers to $19k Steve Lipp (604) 255-6957, e-mail email@example.com
1966 Lotus Elan S2 Roadster. Serial number 26/5611 - Engine LB 5625. Purchased from 3rd owner in 1979 (62,000 original miles). Car originally imported into Vancouver BC. Dismantled for chassis up body off conversion to racecar. All pieces inspected, rebuilt or replaced. Chassis gusseted and strengthened. Raced in 1982 to 1996 ICSCC, SCCA, HMSA and CSRG. Car has ICSCC and SCCA Vintage Logbook. Won the 1982 to 1987 ICSCC C Production Championship in the Pacific Northwest. Car kept basically stock and can be converted to street legal car with work. Asking US $12,000 for complete car and single axle trailer ready to race.(510/943-6194) firstname.lastname@example.org
1957 Lotus Eleven (Westfield) Factory built, under 5,000 miles, 1275 BMC engine, Weber Carbs, wire wheels, head fairing, car has yellow exterior with black leather interior, registered as 1966 Lotus. $25,000 415-868-2940
1969 Europa S2. #54/1512. Type 54 "low nose". Car is complete with good mechanicals but the body and interior are very rough. Must sell now, best offer over $2500 takes it. John (650) 368-9105 email@example.com
1968 Lotus Elan S4SE Coupe. Good original condition, 74K miles$9900. U.S. DOLLARS. firstname.lastname@example.org or call (818) 609-2144.
1962 Lotus Super 7 1500 Cosworth SB1520 1500 pushrod motor, dual Weber, A-6 cam, twin-cam rods & crank, steel caps, wet sump (baffled), oil cooler, lightened flywheel, balanced, easy 7500 rpm. Truck bed load of other spare bits And I'll throw in a single axle trailer so you can take it home with you. $18,500. Phone 816-444-6589 Car is in Kansas City, Missouri
Car wanted Elan S 3 or S 4 (drop head preferred), but will consider coupe. Car to be in good mechanical condition, including water pump, free from chassis rust and/or damage. No major body damage. Paint, interior, cosmetics not that important. Finn Jorgensen 111 Allen court, Moraga, CA 94556. tel: 925-376-4361. Fax: 925-376-2530
1963 Lotus Super Seven, S2, 1500 Cosworth, Dual Weber 40 DCOE, Aeroquip lines 5 Minilites, Spax adjustable, roll bar, full weather equipment Brooklands windshield, BRG/yellow nose/red interior, origial paperwork, registration, and manuals 12,163 mi, restored 1996/97, no expense spared!, second owner, video available. $26,500 (US), partial trades considered GordLeech, Canada (204) 256-3016
Lotus Elan sunroof coupe serial number 36/0028J, never registered-still on MSO, driven only 5800 miles, white/black, original and complete, all books, records, window sticker. This is the last Elan received from the Lotus importer by a dealer in Waterloo, and is still in their possession.
Pat lind W 319-354-2550, H 319-351-8033
1963 Mini MK 1, red w/ white roof (Cooper race colors) Very good body, paint a little tired. New interior (seats). 1380cc, 110hp Vizard engine, Jack Knight Torsen LTD-slip trans. Heim-jointed full race suspension w/adjustable Spax, new Yoko 008's. Much more. Built as an autocrosser, but never used as such. Over $13k invested, best offer.
Jack--- email@example.com 409-321-0022
1965 Mk1 Lotus Cortina. It is in pristine
condition. It has a fresh, 196+HP twin cam (stock stroke, original L block and head), straight cut gearbox, LSD, and is VERY FAST. It won the USRRC Seniors Tour Western Championship for under 2.0 liter GT cars in 1994, 1995, and 1996, and has won its class in numerous races. It has turned 2:01's at Sears. It took 3rd's in the race car classes at the 1993 Lafayette Concours, and the 1993 Hillsborough Concours. It took 2nd in race cars at the 1994 Lotus Convention (Portland) Concours. This car has been accepted and raced with CSRG, VARA, SOVREN, RMVR, and SCCA.Will consider offers in the $40's. Myles Kitchen at HKitchen@aol.com.
For Sale: Caterham Super 7. Aluminum with red nose, clamshells and rear fenders. Long cockpit, live a xle, right hand drive, crossflow with webers. '89 production vin #KLCO654R professionally completed in 94. Full new style top and doors and wind "wings", Caterham manual & heater. Bone stock with less than 1000 miles form new - not raced/modified. Texas tagged, titled and inspected. Reluctantly must sell $20,000 photos by serious request, Mark 512-371-0288 or firstname.lastname@example.org
For Sale: Ford Kent block, 84mm bore, needs liners, includes good cast iron crankshaft and serviceable rods. $100 Mel Boss (510)831-8834, email@example.com